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		<title>By: Pietro</title>
		<link>http://explicitly.me/seo-as-a-marketing-discipline/comment-page-1#comment-27998</link>
		<dc:creator>Pietro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 02:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just having a conversation with a partner about ignorance regarding business owners not comprehending the importance of proper optimization if their competitors are already utilizing a service and what goes into a campaign. In the area we work we deal with a lot of business owners that just plain don&#039;t get it and when they finally realize the necessity to implement a solution they want it for pennies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just having a conversation with a partner about ignorance regarding business owners not comprehending the importance of proper optimization if their competitors are already utilizing a service and what goes into a campaign. In the area we work we deal with a lot of business owners that just plain don&#8217;t get it and when they finally realize the necessity to implement a solution they want it for pennies.</p>
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		<title>By: Marketingweb</title>
		<link>http://explicitly.me/seo-as-a-marketing-discipline/comment-page-1#comment-1126</link>
		<dc:creator>Marketingweb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great read including all the comments. I hear what you are saying Alan re some business owners who don&#039;t deserve to be - the ones with money you mention are bad enough, what are worse are the ones with no budget at all - the &quot;I want to be #1 in Google for {competitive keyword} within 2 months. My budget is $500, but you need to update my website too for that price&quot; These sort are even worse, and sometimes hard to avoid!

The other problem I think is that SEO is harder to define in some ways than most other marketing concepts, from a &quot;what do I get for&quot; point of view. A TV advertisement or a full page spread in a newspaper may not actually sell anything, BUT you can see it - it&#039;s there! With SEO, the time and money expense is less tangible and definitely not immediate - there is a degree of &quot;trust me while I&#039;m working on it&quot; type thing unfortunately, and this I think is what many traditional business people find most difficult.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great read including all the comments. I hear what you are saying Alan re some business owners who don&#8217;t deserve to be &#8211; the ones with money you mention are bad enough, what are worse are the ones with no budget at all &#8211; the &#8220;I want to be #1 in Google for {competitive keyword} within 2 months. My budget is $500, but you need to update my website too for that price&#8221; These sort are even worse, and sometimes hard to avoid!</p>
<p>The other problem I think is that SEO is harder to define in some ways than most other marketing concepts, from a &#8220;what do I get for&#8221; point of view. A TV advertisement or a full page spread in a newspaper may not actually sell anything, BUT you can see it &#8211; it&#8217;s there! With SEO, the time and money expense is less tangible and definitely not immediate &#8211; there is a degree of &#8220;trust me while I&#8217;m working on it&#8221; type thing unfortunately, and this I think is what many traditional business people find most difficult.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: treuemax</title>
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		<dc:creator>treuemax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 07:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic article and a recommended read. We keep hitting the wall of upper management when trying to raise the bar for search marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic article and a recommended read. We keep hitting the wall of upper management when trying to raise the bar for search marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: Link Building Opportunities Big Brands Miss &#124; Search Engine Journal</title>
		<link>http://explicitly.me/seo-as-a-marketing-discipline/comment-page-1#comment-527</link>
		<dc:creator>Link Building Opportunities Big Brands Miss &#124; Search Engine Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and how I feel that they are taken for granted. Part of the reason is that we don’t take SEO seriously  and part of the reason is the typical myopia and partial ADD that we suffer from. Many of us tend [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Control-Freak Execs and Online Marketing &#124; seo cloak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Control-Freak Execs and Online Marketing &#124; seo cloak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at Explicitly.me points out that people forget SEO is a marketing discipline, both quantifiable and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David H</title>
		<link>http://explicitly.me/seo-as-a-marketing-discipline/comment-page-1#comment-516</link>
		<dc:creator>David H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience with clients ranging from blue-chip global to local B&amp;Bs there&#039;s a tendency for them to think that they know all they need to know about &#039;pleasing Google&#039; from the first conversation with an SEO expert.  

Even if that expert was right at the time, the advice is way out of date. Immediately.  So even if they&#039;re not ready to take SEO seriously as a part of the marketing piece, I still try to centre them on the old &#039;find out what people want and give it to them&#039; mantra.

My favourite is when keen CEO comes with the latest idea-from-the-airline-magazine-article and says &#039;we just gotta have that&#039; - more of this is around SEO.  Or worse, a big misunderstanding of adwords or Facebook advertising. But that&#039;s another story.

Keep up the great thought-provoking writing, Rishil. It may inspire me yet into getting more writing done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience with clients ranging from blue-chip global to local B&amp;Bs there&#8217;s a tendency for them to think that they know all they need to know about &#8216;pleasing Google&#8217; from the first conversation with an SEO expert.  </p>
<p>Even if that expert was right at the time, the advice is way out of date. Immediately.  So even if they&#8217;re not ready to take SEO seriously as a part of the marketing piece, I still try to centre them on the old &#8216;find out what people want and give it to them&#8217; mantra.</p>
<p>My favourite is when keen CEO comes with the latest idea-from-the-airline-magazine-article and says &#8216;we just gotta have that&#8217; &#8211; more of this is around SEO.  Or worse, a big misunderstanding of adwords or Facebook advertising. But that&#8217;s another story.</p>
<p>Keep up the great thought-provoking writing, Rishil. It may inspire me yet into getting more writing done!</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Friesen</title>
		<link>http://explicitly.me/seo-as-a-marketing-discipline/comment-page-1#comment-514</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Friesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another excellent post. I&#039;m with you, Rishi.

The brand police blocking SEOs from targeted high-conversion keywords - man, that hit home. But perhaps that demonstrates a lack of understanding from us SEOs toward the &quot;opinion-mindset&quot;. You know, those people at the top of some organizations or departments who base their activity and the activities of their subordinates on personal, subjective criteria? Perhaps all us SEOs require study of snake-oil selling and manipulation instead of marketing to the demand of the audience? You know, it may be a cultural thing among certain decision-makers to get what they want (ranking for &quot;telephone&quot;) rather than get what benefits their company most (&quot;local phone service&quot;). Maybe we SEOs are at fault for not meeting the client demand - but forecasting and delivering what would best serve their customer instead?

Of course, I&#039;m being facetious - but there&#039;s some truth in there.... I just don&#039;t get where some of these old school marketing types come from. Perhaps it&#039;s the availability of real-time analytics to prove the worth (or lack of it) of a campaign in today&#039;s SEO world -- compared to the sheer lack of analytics or real-time market research from the environment where these people matured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another excellent post. I&#8217;m with you, Rishi.</p>
<p>The brand police blocking SEOs from targeted high-conversion keywords &#8211; man, that hit home. But perhaps that demonstrates a lack of understanding from us SEOs toward the &#8220;opinion-mindset&#8221;. You know, those people at the top of some organizations or departments who base their activity and the activities of their subordinates on personal, subjective criteria? Perhaps all us SEOs require study of snake-oil selling and manipulation instead of marketing to the demand of the audience? You know, it may be a cultural thing among certain decision-makers to get what they want (ranking for &#8220;telephone&#8221;) rather than get what benefits their company most (&#8221;local phone service&#8221;). Maybe we SEOs are at fault for not meeting the client demand &#8211; but forecasting and delivering what would best serve their customer instead?</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;m being facetious &#8211; but there&#8217;s some truth in there&#8230;. I just don&#8217;t get where some of these old school marketing types come from. Perhaps it&#8217;s the availability of real-time analytics to prove the worth (or lack of it) of a campaign in today&#8217;s SEO world &#8212; compared to the sheer lack of analytics or real-time market research from the environment where these people matured.</p>
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		<title>By: Common Mistakes Big Brands Make in SEO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Common Mistakes Big Brands Make in SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is actually more than a series of link builders and content writers, it is a full blown Marketing Discipline, that needs strategy, thought, research and focus on.4. Not Separating Brand Traffic and Sales from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kristjan Mar Hauksson</title>
		<link>http://explicitly.me/seo-as-a-marketing-discipline/comment-page-1#comment-512</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristjan Mar Hauksson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic article and a recommended read. We keep hitting the wall of upper management when trying to raise the bar for search marketing.</description>
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		<title>By: People genuinely don’t understand the work involved behind SEO &#171; Optimize Your Web</title>
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		<dc:creator>People genuinely don’t understand the work involved behind SEO &#171; Optimize Your Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this really good article called &quot;SEO as a Marketing Discipline&quot; written by Rishi Lakhani. It illustrates in a very good way the problems the search marketing [...]</description>
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